CM2 is PISSED!!!!

[CyberMewtwo]

Okay, looks like someone fucking beat us to the punch and im officially pissed off.

www.pokemononline.org/

atfirst me and khold were also discussinng just having a single pokemon island as the battle area where the entire game is single player but you go off to that battle tower to connect with other trainers and such. this didnt seem too bad at all and i was thinking we could go with it but then i realized why i wanted mmo in the first place. to do something no1 else had yet to do.

another idea was you meet up with them at pokemon centers and such. now i honestly feel we HAVE to do mmo. idk. i saw this other site and i got pissed cuz we were working on it first in my opinion. idk. all i know is i wanna work even harder now to make sure we have a game that pwns this and all other games that others might try to come up with to trumph us.

screenshots: www.pokemononline.org/screenshots.php

heres my current suggestion for mmo style in our game. idk if anyof you guys have every played guildwars but the way it works is the entire game is setup as u can play by urself if u want and no1 fucks up your shit because u only see other players in towns and if you wanna play with someone there or ur friend you just add them to your temporary party. what i was thinking is maybe trainers can meet up in pokemon centers and party together from there. making the game story match so that other players can go ahead and join honestly dosnt seem too hard to do variable wise. (if u needa find a key to open a door, only 1 person really needs a key. if some1 else also happens to come accross a key, no worries cuz you keep it in your key items anyways - things like that.) as for battles, group battles arnt too bad. or better yet the bosses can come in pairs or w/e. as in yeah, party leader might get a head boss but other enemy trainers can appear for each person in the party. we can maybe have a limit of 3-4 persons per party (keeping it real to the anime series ). maybe something like that.

i know id be hard but i tested the other mmo engine and iv been tryin to compress data as much as i can to get the network working as fast as possible, im ganna have to send it off to khold to test it to see what he thinks still. not to meantion the possibility of switchign over to another game designing software that wasnt sphere seeing as how we have yet to figure out how to compile the game into an exe. at the momment the most we can do is distribute it as a package that will open with sphere but i dont like having our work exposed and my codes at the disposition of anyone who's willing to give their magikarp 9999ATK and 99999SPD along with FIREBLAST. i dont want haxors messing with the game if its going to be mmo. if its single player they can fuck up all they want, but the game has to be fair and hacker free if we dont want players being scarred off into not playing.

this almost feels liek a rant for some odd reason but its just i saw this other pokemon online game and i got horribly fired up. im sorry but yeah. i really wanna know all your opinions on how we should make the game and how we should do it. mmo, single player, mix, design, party-style, all-around-trainers-everywhere, options, possibilities, quests, bosses, EVERYTHING. i want our game to succed and to be recognized above everyone else's intents. latly its been hard finding time for anything what with school and work and everything startng back up but i know we can do this if we just give it our all. our game is be the UBER POKEMON game.

i just feel mmo would really make our game stand out but its really up to you guys as a group. this game isnt just mine, its all of ours. so input your votes and opnions.

heres the basics on their game: www.pokemononline.org/platinum/#0

[rekt]

They have been working on that for a long long time. Don't get mad because we started "first".

[gun6]

Their game sucks at the moment, and those screenshots are really fake. Half of the time, you can't connect to their server, and all you can do is walk around. ;/

[PikaPete]

I've tried that game, and the battling is complete bollocks. None of the moves have their "real" effects, and the damage seemed to meto be completely made up.

[CactusMaster]

Mmhmm, Pokémonline is utter shit at present. We're already "the UBER POKEMON game" by comparison.

[Crossfire Chaos]

Okay here are my suggestions:

• Make it so that you can see everyone in the main map anywhere since going back to the pokemon center to get a teamate will get very anoying. They don't even mess with your game really since it's a instanced battle. (oh and make it so that our characters are incorporeal to eachother. That way we can still easily find people but they don't block the pathway for other people. (also make it so your guy always comes out on top for you.)
  
  
• Make it so that forests, caves, town houses, enemy army infested towns and certain "zones" are instanced just for you. Meaning that there are so places where you have to go in alone or with a party. That way we can still have certain "event" things we want people to see in one-player mode but not have one going off every second for everyone on the server to get bored watching. (basing this off the instances and missions of WoW and CoH/V respectivly.)
  
  
• Make a personal info box for the person in front of you open up if you press a key (say "i" for instance) then have choices like "ask for team", "challenge", and "add to friend list" along with their name and # of pokemon above the choices.
  
  
• Make it very easy to pick up and team, make a feature that lets you set yourself as "looking for team" along with a short message and when a potential team leader wants to find a person to team with make it so that they open a window that lets them see everyone looking for a team on the server and everyone looking for a team just in their "Zone" (routes and towns).
  
  Also make it so that your game appears in the right with a tabbed docker holding your backpack slots, pokemon screen and chatbox in tabs.
  
  
• Make it so that the latest said thing appears in a black one line box at the bottom of the screen. And have things bigger then a line not appear only in the chat box to you left.
  
  
• Make an option to turn the above off.
  
  
• Make it so that there your typing into the chatbox appears at the very bottom.
  
  
• Make it easy to find a battle. Have little red flags appear over the heads of people "looking for battle" and if you walk up and open up their info box and choose "challenge" then you are sent into a 1v1 battle with them.
  
  
• Make it so that certain zones of the world are for weaker newbies to fight. Allow only those with all their pokemon below the level cap of the zone to battle.
  
  
• Make pokécenters instanced and have a machine in the corner that lets you choose people to battle all over the server. (with your own rules setup.)
  
  
• Have a rank viewing feature in the above so you can see who's won the most that day/month or overall.
  
  
• Make legendaries and things like snorlax can be caught in instances but only can be used in vsPlayer battles if you "win" the rights to in some public event. (tournament, a special instanced storyline only open for a few days, and things so everyone has a chance at earning the rights.)
  
  
• Make things like instances and battles based on the players' computers but make things like public zones and player info and other public-affecting things server based. That way there is less stress on the server. Of course you most likely already new this but it's a must if we're even hoping of getting a server for it.
  

Those things will be a great boost to our QoL and will make our game seem better made then other games. The only problems we'll be having is nintendo and the Cease and Desist order they might give us.

Have you ever seen ekaiyo online? much better idea then everyone else but it's currently dead and it's development is going very slowly.

Oh and Diamond and Pearl are getting an online battle system so that might impact us too.

[CyberMewtwo]

i must admit though i DID like the idea of keeping the BattleGUI and WorldGUI together at the same time. meaning while ur in a battle (either wild or trainer) u still see wut happens in either side simultaniously. meaning we could put the battle screen on one side of the screen and the pokeworld in the other.

i also like their idea of the secret bases being visible by only those on your friends list.

i still needa figure out wut would be the best GUI for the game. any opinions as to what might be nice to include?

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altyhough cross i did like pretty much all of those ideas u got there, but there are other reasons behind that first one (as in the pokemon center meetings). reason being:

#1) network lag (im still tryin to figure out how PO had that awesome walking without nearly any lag). if i can figure out a better formula or something for this then maybe.

#2) game quests can get mixed up (especially for bosses), although ur 2nd suggestion dosnt seem too bad but determining these areas might be off. unless you mean like buildings, special routes, and caves and such?

#3) endless trainers who may "kill" you so you dont pass from one town to the next? o.O (i wanted to use PK but i thought it might get confused here with pokemon). unless ofcorse we make it optional but then it dosnt seem fair the NPCs get to battle you regardless, and no1 else can.

[Crossfire Chaos]

#2) well the world is divided into squares right? just make it so that if you pass into a certain square you are now in an instance that is operated only client-side. That way you can cut a huge sizable chunk from the servers.

#3) No, a challenge doesn't have to be accepted. That would ruin the game if people pulled you into battle all the time.

[casmat]

maybe something of a PvP zone or arena can be added where people can pull you into battles, and the last man standing wins. The arena could be something like the Safari Zone, maybe another could be like one of those dark caves, and another could be some kind of building (maybe one with cracked floors)... I can see some cool Nature Power strategies already...

If all of your pokemon faint, you are done for that round and can go back to whatever else you were doing or wait in some lobby for the rest of the people to get out...

In the match, You would be challenged if you made eye contact with or touched another player... It would be cool if we got high speed chases with people on their bikes or pokemon mounts... all trying to or avoiding touching or looking at each other... this would be especially cool if certain pokemon mounts or bikes had pros and cons, like the mach bike.. some cool shit like certain pokemon mounts can swim and ride on land, and so you wouldn't have to take the time to switch (a new guy?), or maybe you could have one like Rapidash that could jump up over hills and stuff... anyways after beating someone, you would get some kind of 30 second waiting period where no one could challenge you and you would do stuff like use your Miltank to Heal Bell and Milk Drink other Pokemon.... depending on what out of battle effect we give to certain moves, lots of cool things could be done.... AND WEATHER... weather would add another dimension to a battle, but we would have to make it so people could choose what weather there would be + a choice of random... of course this wouldn't work on inside levels.... that kind of thing implies setting up matches instead of just walking into an arena.... Maybe some arena invite system could be made... the match creator would choose the place, the weather, clauses, etc..... and then people would have to agree and stuff..... oh yeah, and about weather, maybe weather moves out of battle effects could be to change the weather in a localized area... sorry random tangent though, of course this post is full of them..... I'll stop now...

The original intent of this post was to suggest something we could do with multiplayer.... but I kind of went crazy with it...

Edit:

Sorry but i have to type it in:
It could work for a team too. As in teams could do some cool stuff like temporarily trade pokemon during a match, and double battle could work like.... if you saw a match underway, you could go up to it and there would be some option like moral support or something and then if one of the opponent's teammates cam to give moral support, it would automatically initiate a double battle....

[CyberMewtwo]

All Shinnoh (i prefer Shintoh better but w/e) Pokemon with their English & Jap Names:

www.serebii.net/diamondpearl/pokemon.shtml

[CyberMewtwo]

alright guys, i know im double posting here but my compy is down atm so im running off a linux bootable. project screenshots and updates will resume as soon as i fix this damn thing... >_<&