SSBM

[cock_block]

My obligatory SSBM thread.

Okay. I play SSBM. I play it much more than I'm proud to admit. I know adv shit like wavedash and play casual tournaments with a few locals so idiots who go "OMG ROY'S CHARGE FLAME SWORD OF DEATH KICKS ASS USE IT SPAM IT OMG ORGASM ROY FOR TIER 1" will be ignored or ridiculed (more likely the latter).

Okay. Up until now, some dick has been challenging me with his Fox (he mains Fox) and I've been continuously kicking his ass with my main, Rambopuff (for those who cannot figure it out, it's Jigglypuff).

His older brother is another story. He plays Marth.

Now, while I can get a few KOs off Rest combos now and then on the Marth, I'm finding my win rate against said Marth deteriorating very rapidly. The issue is not a skill thing; we've played and I can attest that we're both about even. The difference is that I've had practice against a decent Marth (my little brother; admittedly he's a bit to fond of the dashdance than he should be but w/e) whereas he hasn't played Jiggs until he started playing me and he's figuring out how to counter my Jiggs.

Now, my dilhemma is this. There is a casual tourney coming up with a decent money prize (iirc it's like $50 or something because we've got a bunch of rich punks entering too) and I'm stumped. Should I play as Jigglypuff (I've played some of these punks and while they're not bad, they're decidedly average and a few are too fond of low tier fuckers like Y. Link and Ness) and have a very strong assumption that I will face the Marth. The last time we did a friendly, I left with ten wins and he had eight. We're ridiculously close. The tournament allows one character per person. So... should I risk it and use my main Jigglypuff or use my secondary (Shiek, who supposedly has a good matchup vs Marth) and weaken my overall playing in favour of a better Marth matchup or just stick to Jiggs and pray he hasn't read up on how to counter me?

[gun6]

Well, you should probably play as Jigglypuff, and just watch for the the deadly FSmash and long-range aerial attacks. Try and take advantage of Marth's inability to recover horizontally when he's away from the edge. Try and WoP him. Maybe you could try this rest combo? I'm sure that he wouldn't know about backwards Nair -> Rest. You'd just have to make sure that he's stunned in some way.

smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=86683

Try reading up some more.

(I play a Jigglypuff too, but I don't know how good I am. : /)

[Okashi]

I'm not good enough to be offering advice on techinical stuff in SSBM, but I have an idea. Maybe you could invite him over for a practice session or something, and use Shiek. If you do better against him playing as Shiek, he might get nervous and switch to something that can do well against Shiek, but then you switch back to Jigglypuff.

Another idea: You could just go there playing as Shiek, hopefully he'd been reading up on how to counter Jiggly and practicing it as well. Then he'll be like: "WTF??? All that work for nothing". Of course, it all depends on if he's going to be your only real competition there. If he is, then you might want to use Shiek. If not, then use Jiggly.

[cock_block]

gun6 said:

Well, you should probably play as Jigglypuff, and just watch for the the deadly FSmash and long-range aerial attacks. Try and take advantage of Marth's inability to recover horizontally when he's away from the edge.

I do not mean this in a snide way or anything, but I kind of know how to play against Marth. Avoid the n-air and f-airs and mash the DI and pray he doesn't start linking up more hits then you. WoP is usually a good thing when he's coming back although I tend to edgehog a bit more than I'd like to admit. But, yeah, Marth is a brutal matchup. He tends to be a whore. It's that damned range... ugh.

Try and WoP him. Maybe you could try this rest combo? I'm sure that he wouldn't know about backwards Nair -> Rest. You'd just have to make sure that he's stunned in some way.

I love the N-air ==> Rest. It's quite possibly my favourite way to lead into the Rest with the exception of the U-Throw on Fox/Falco. Although backwards N-air ==> rest is difficult on Marth on principle because of the whole pressure-you-out-with-that-damn-disjointed-hitbox thing. WoP would have been fine if I spot-dodged the F-smash a week ago but now he's much more careful with them so they're harder to lead into... or rather there are fewer opportunities to lead into them because he's becoming increasingly fond of aerials (less tilts, more sffls). Hmm... maybe I need more practice figuring out how to setup although (imo) that's always been Jigglypuff's weak point. She's a whore when she gets going with her shit but it's getting said shit started that's the issue... hmm...

(And I've been to Smashboards; don't post often but I lurk there a lot and have read the Jiggly guide. I love N-air ==> Rest.)

I've played a bit of Shiek against Fox/Falco and it's not been too bad so maybe if I can get a bit more practice in figuring out Fox/Falco and what to do as Shiek against them (damn it there's only one fucking decent Shiek guide out there) but Shiek I'm kind of nervous on using because iirc Fox can shine her infinitely and that's not something I want to be open to. I mean, shining someone from 0 - 60/70/whatever is nasty on its own but going to whenever he decides to stop is ghey.

Eh. Maybe I'm over-thinking this. I need some friendly games right now to make me stop thinking =/