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Post by casmat on Sept 26, 2006 17:18:49 GMT -5
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Post by CyberMewtwo on Sept 26, 2006 17:35:00 GMT -5
ZOMG! YAY!!!!
hehehe - i'm waiting for the nintendo game package of this to buy my ds! XD
it'll be cheaper and knowing me, this'll prolly be the only game i really play. lmfao
thjey added a penguin (which ALOT of my friends are ganna love) and a grass turtle! XD it's about time! i was ganna suggest one too... which is why i find this one funny... lmao
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Post by casmat on Sept 26, 2006 17:51:22 GMT -5
You know wha makes me happiest though.... most of the pokes we have won't be redone except Murkrow evo And Grass/Ice eeveelutions
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Post by cock_block on Sept 26, 2006 20:09:17 GMT -5
I want the fucking steel/water penguin dammit. Preferrably a Bold one.
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Post by Zack on Sept 26, 2006 21:19:39 GMT -5
Magneton and Rhydon (if I understand correctly) get evos.
Holy fucking christ.
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Post by casmat on Sept 26, 2006 21:23:34 GMT -5
Yep...
Grass eeveelution is based around defense too, like how you wanted it O.O
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Post by cock_block on Sept 26, 2006 22:54:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry but the penguin is just making me horny. I FUCKING WANT ONE. Then I'm going to discover it's this gen's Feraligatr but dammit water/steel kicks ass. Like, a million resistances (water, steel, ghost, dark, psychic, rock, ice, flying, normal, bug, dragon) and limited weaknesses that matter (only real standout weaks are electric/ground imo because most fighters except Heracross suck on the whole and its neutrals don't exactly want to go near Surf/Ice Beam). So. Pair it with Flygon and rule the pokemon world!
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Post by casmat on Sept 26, 2006 22:58:00 GMT -5
Hey, for all we know, Waterfall becomes Physical.... Then I'll go grab me a SD Feraligatr and kick some ass
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Post by Zack on Sept 26, 2006 23:21:17 GMT -5
edit: fuck khold i meant to click quote. I am so sorry. FUCK! I was going to write something about what you posted but I can't remember! FUCK!!!!!
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Post by Casmat the man on Sept 26, 2006 23:32:19 GMT -5
Penguin =
[[[ 393 ]]] Lv01: Pound Lv04: Growl Lv08: Bubble Lv11: Water Sport Lv15: Peck Lv18: Bide Lv22: Bubblebeam Lv25: Fury Attack Lv29: 362 Lv32: Whirlpool Lv36: Mist Lv39: Drill Peck Lv43: Hydro Pump
[[[ 394 ]]] Lv01: Tackle Lv01: Growl Lv04: Growl Lv08: Bubble Lv11: Water Sport Lv15: Peck Lv16: Metal Claw Lv19: Bide Lv24: Bubblebeam Lv28: Fury Attack Lv33: 362 Lv37: Whirlpool Lv42: Mist Lv46: Drill Peck Lv51: Hydro Pump
[[[ 395 ]]] Lv01: Tackle Lv01: Growl Lv01: Bubble Lv04: Growl Lv08: Bubble Lv11: Swords Dance Lv15: Peck Lv16: Metal Claw Lv19: Swagger Lv24: Bubblebeam Lv28: Fury Attack Lv33: 362 Lv36: 453 Lv39: Whirlpool Lv46: Mist Lv52: Drill Peck Lv59: Hydro Pump
How Much you wanna bet that move number 453 is a new steel attack, and it's not Metal Buster?
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Post by Zack on Sept 26, 2006 23:34:33 GMT -5
I wanna know how the evos have different level up moves at levels that they don't exist at?
Swords Dance at level 11 for the Water/Steel Penguin ._.
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Post by casmat on Sept 26, 2006 23:38:15 GMT -5
I wanna know how the evos have different level up moves at levels that they don't exist at? Swords Dance at level 11 for the Water/Steel Penguin ._. Luvdisc existed for a reason you know, and I bet it still exists
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Post by casmat on Sept 26, 2006 23:43:07 GMT -5
Woah shit, Slowbro with Slack Off
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Post by casmat on Sept 26, 2006 23:45:07 GMT -5
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Post by CyberMewtwo on Sept 26, 2006 23:50:16 GMT -5
you rock! but why do some moves have only numbers? lol
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Post by casmat on Sept 26, 2006 23:51:00 GMT -5
you rock! but why do some moves have only numbers? lol Those are new moves, and these are from AMF from Smogon.
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Post by casmat on Sept 27, 2006 0:00:34 GMT -5
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Post by cock_block on Sept 27, 2006 0:02:40 GMT -5
Okay. Here's my interpretation of the list.
[389] 95 109 105 56 75 85 GRASS GROUND
Might work as a TTar counter. It certainly has the defense for it.
Barring, of course, the possibility of: Tyranitar used Ice Beam!
[392] 76 104 71 108 104 71 FIRE FIGHTING
Fucking Blaziken wannabe. Actually, sadly, that high speed will easily make it better than Blaziken if it has any sort of movepool. Shame too, because Blaziken is about nine times sexier. Confirmed Scheme and other shit has killed Blaziken once and for all.
[395] 84 86 88 60 111 101 WATER STEEL
I'm thinking this + Flygon = covers most physicals but Heracross and even so he can be covered by other shit (probably Weezing). Only things it doesn't resist are electric, fire, grass, ground, fighting iirc. And two of those are neutral and of the three weaks left one isn't too common.
[398] 85 120 70 100 50 50 NORMAL FLYING
I like the idea of 372 attack stab normals. Or 339 cb returns.
Holy shit. This could potentially be an OU or BL early game bird. Bite me, Swellow.
[400] 79 85 60 71 55 60 NORMAL WATER
Welcome to UU/NU. Unless you flaunt spore or something.
[402] 77 85 51 65 55 51 BUG BUG
Welcome to UU/NU. Unless you have some redeeming quality but you seem like an early game bug tbh.
[405] 80 120 79 70 95 79 ELECTRIC ELECTRIC
Mixed electric that's slow and lacks physical stab, eh? Welcome to UU/NU unless you tell us you have like, specilal dragon dance or something.
[407] 60 70 55 90 125 105 GRASS POISON
So long as you have the evolutionary sense to keep Spikes/Aromatherapy upon evolution, we could get along fine.
[409] 97 165 60 58 65 50 ROCK ROCK
ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY FIVE HOLY SHIT. Now. To figure out how to get it into play and not have it die in one hit. Hmm...
[411] 60 52 168 30 47 138 ROCK STEEL
Now if only its HP didn't suck ass. Oh well. Advantages over Aggron thus so far is that he's defensively superior as his high special defense gives him a bit more for beat special sweepers. His disadvantages so far are that he lacks a penis and cannot deal damage.
[413] 60 59 85 36 79 105 BUG GRASS
Welcome to UU/NU. We don't even care if you have Spore. You can move in with Parasect.
[414] 70 94 50 66 94 50 BUG FLYING [415] 30 30 42 70 30 42 BUG FLYING [416] 70 80 102 40 80 102 BUG FLYING
[417] 60 45 70 95 45 90 ELECTRIC ELECTRIC
You can move in with Plusle/Minun.
[419] 85 105 55 115 85 50 WATER WATER
If you had STAB normal you might have had a chance but as a pure water, 419, like many waters before him, probably won't see much play due to him being part of one of the largest most mono-cultural typings around. And in all fairness, I'll be shocked if there aren't better offensive waters.
[421] 70 60 70 85 87 78 GRASS GRASS
Beware of the death berry. It'll be UU or NU unless it flaunts spore or special huge power or something.
[423] 111 83 68 39 92 82 WATER GROUND
Hello mini Swampert. Unless you have Intimidate or Marvel Scale or something really good, we probably won't notice you exist.
[424] 75 100 66 115 60 66 NORMAL NORMAL
Aipom's ambudextrous evolution will need something to place him above other normals that isn't a useless support move. Maybe a 70 base power move that hits twice. It could be called Hand-Tail Bitch Slap or something.
[426] 150 80 44 80 90 54 GHOST FLYING
This will either be really good or a complete dud. His frail stats leave something to be desired but that 150 HP coupled with his decent speed and mediocre offensive stats make him just good enough to be considered if his movepool shows any sort of promise.
[428] 65 76 84 105 54 96 NORMAL NORMAL
Sprite makes it look kind of like a generic normal fairy only this time it comes in orange! Oh and it's kind of fast. Okay defenses too.
[429] 60 60 60 105 105 105 GHOST GHOST
Misdreavus grew up and stopped sucking. Huh. Go figure.
[430] 100 125 52 71 105 52 DARK FLYING
Murkrow grew up and stopped sucking. Huh. Drill Peck/Shadow Ball/HP Fight will actually be noticed off that 125 base. Unfortunately, Murkrow also got fat so it may still suck. Another one that's probably going to depend on its movepool to repair the travesty done to its speed.
[432] 71 82 64 112 64 59 NORMAL NORMAL
FAST generic normal but not as quick as Aipom evo and the extra points in defenses probably won't tip the scales. Start praying for Belly Drum or something, 432.
[433] 45 30 50 45 65 50 PSYCHIC PSYCHIC
If Chimecho sucks, by logic its preevo will also suck. Unless it has Wonderguard, which won't happen.
[435] 103 93 67 84 71 61 POISON DARK
Huh. All of these new darks have ridiculously high HP, high attack/special attack (or both) and absolute shit for speed or its mediocre at best. That speed will be what kills him because his defenses are the pits.
[437] 67 89 116 33 79 116 STEEL PSYCHIC
Defensive Metagross, eh? The 116 special defense might make it a good sponge. Doomiraa looks like it might have Levitate, however, so if that carries over then it's only weak is fire, which is quite hot. And the good mixed defenses might be more useful with the special/physical split.
[438] 50 80 95 10 10 45 ROCK ROCK
Sup Bonsley.
[439] 20 25 45 60 70 90 PSYCHIC PSYCHIC
Mime Jr. is a sexy bitch.
[440] 100 5 5 30 15 65 NORMAL NORMAL
Fuck. You.
[441] 76 65 45 91 92 42 NORMAL FLYING
I really hope you have something interesting to show us when we get movepools uploaded because you're stats leave many things to be desired.
[442] 50 92 108 35 92 108 GHOST DARK
I am pleased by this. Please be a Sableye evo. I doubt it based on your sprite but miracles have happened (Octillery + Remoraid) so please just do it for me...
[445] 108 130 95 102 80 85 DRAGON GROUND
Huh. Flygon only with better special defense, higher speed, higher attack, higher defense, more HP and no Levitate (he looks pretty grounded to me). Fuck my plan of using Penguin + Flygon, I'm using Penguin + this guy. Unless he turns out to not learn Earthquake or something. That would suck.
[446] 135 85 40 5 40 85 NORMAL NORMAL
Wow me, Munchlax. Watch it give Snorlax Recover or something. =/
[448] 70 110 70 90 115 70 FIGHTING STEEL
It would appear our waverider isn't as legendary as we thought. Or our legendaries won't be at the back of the pokedex. Still a hot pokemon though. I definitely wouldn't be at all surprised if he was this gen's mascott pokemon.
[450] 108 112 118 47 68 72 GROUND GROUND
I dislike your bland typing but whatever. Your stats make you acceptable so long as you offer something decently powered in your movepool/trait. Something with the same level of effectiveness of Rapid Spin or Haze would probably make you work. Or Curse, even.
[452] 70 90 110 95 60 75 POISON DARK
Fucking child-eaters. You're so going to hax people with thunder fang or whatever the fuck it's called.
[454] 83 106 65 85 86 65 POISON FIGHTING
More offensive poisons that will probably never see the light of play due to their mediocre speed and lack of resistances and defenses. Unless they get a Megahorn-esque move or something.
[455] 74 100 72 46 90 72 GRASS GRASS
Offensive grass type go.
[457] 69 69 76 91 69 86 WATER WATER
Its sprite reminds me of a goldfish I once had. And like most goldfish, this will probably be the type of pet that it tried, loved for a minute and then gets flushed down the toilet. Stats aren't impressive and unless it flashes Marvel Scale or something, I doubt people will want to try and make it work.
[458] 45 20 50 50 60 120 WATER FLYING
Tamanta will dominate little cup's rain dancers.
[460] 90 92 75 60 92 85 GRASS ICE
Its defenses aren't bad and it has the power to hit things but that icky typing also brings flying/rock/bug/fire/steel/poison weaks and 4x weak beats solid defenses any day. Just ask Gyarados.
[461] 70 120 65 125 45 85 DARK ICE
That could actually be very hot. Weavile could work. Just learn a few good things and we'll talk.
[462] 70 70 115 60 130 90 ELECTRIC STEEL
Please be a Magneton evo. We need the metagame even gayer than it is. Because as scary as it sounds, with all the good steels we appear to be getting (penguin, metagross is still good probably, that 116/116 defense guy who will be awesome if he gets any movepool and levitate) this thing could be usable for more than JUST Skarmory and actually fulfill a niche on a team with those stats.
Think about that: a Dugtrio that can take a hit, provide normal/flying resistance and actually survive shit. Luckily, its speed blows.
[463] 110 85 95 50 80 95 NORMAL NORMAL
Needs a move like French Kiss that confuses and attracts the opponent regardless of gender.
[464] 115 140 130 40 55 55 GROUND ROCK
Holy. Shit. Go. Rhydon. Evo.
[465] 100 100 125 50 110 50 GRASS GRASS
Oh shit it's defensive grass type with sunnybeaming powers and 101 HP Subs. Tangela evo go.
[466] 75 123 67 95 95 85 ELECTRIC ELECTRIC
HA! He's not fighting. He's just a stupid physical electric type with STAB Thunderpunch and Ice Punch and Cross Chop and fuck he still has a movepool.
[467] 75 95 67 83 125 95 FIRE FIRE
Magmar got slower. This does not please me.
[468] 85 50 95 80 120 115 NORMAL FLYING
lol. Togetic evo. That 120 base sa might hurt something though. And with its solid defenses and access to every damn support move in the game, who know. Maybe Togetic evo could find a niche in the metagame. Being able to pass screens and Wish may become valuable in this offensively opening metagame.
[469] 86 76 86 95 116 56 BUG FLYING
You just couldn't evolve into Dragon/Bug, now could you? Stupid Yanma.
[470] 65 110 130 95 60 65 GRASS GRASS
Holy shit it's Vineon. Now if only that 110 attack would scoot over into the special defense column...
[471] 65 60 110 65 130 95 ICE ICE
It's like Umbreon only with an attack stat and no HP. Okay, so it's not like Umbreon.
[472] 75 95 125 95 45 75 GROUND FLYING
GLIGAR MAN GO! hurts pokemon with move and resistances.
[473] 110 130 80 80 70 60 ICE GROUND
Piloswine has been made decent. This pleases me. But he's still gonna be UU unless his movepool also improved with his attack stats/speed/HP.
[474] 85 80 70 90 135 75 NORMAL NORMAL
What. The. Fuck. Is. That.
I get that Porygon2 was one of those ducks that hits buttons over and over again with the water thing strapped to their backs (you know what I'm talking about, we all saw that simpsons episode) but my only reaction to this thing is dubbya tee eff.
[475] 68 125 65 80 65 115 PSYCHIC FIGHTING
Physical attack Gardevoir with high special defense, wtf? Oh, I get it. This is to make up for it losing Fire/Ice Punch in the transition. Thanks... I guess.
[476] 60 55 145 40 75 150 ROCK STEEL
Nosepass to the rescue! Only this time it comes with an HP stat and arguably weaker typing! And more special attack!
[477] 45 100 135 45 65 135 GHOST GHOST
If this is a Duslcops evo, I will cry. I will break down in tears and lament the loss of a potentially offensive metagame. Then I'll plan a stall team.
[478] 70 80 70 110 80 70 ICE GHOST
God dammit why can't you have higher stats?
[479] 50 50 77 91 95 77 ELECTRIC GHOST
God dammit... wait, no, actually no I'm good with this. Nevermind.
[482] 75 125 70 115 125 70 PSYCHIC PSYCHIC
So... you have an attack stat, speed stat, special attack stat and - relatively speaking - no defenses whatsoever. Meh. We all tried Alakazam. You could be like more durable Alakazam with the option of Focus Punch.
[483] 100 120 120 90 150 100 STEEL DRAGON
Yay of Ubers. And it's even got solid defense stats!
[484] 90 120 100 100 150 120 WATER DRAGON
Yay for ubers with solid defense stats! So long as you learn Thunder and Calm Mind, you can have all the candy in the store.
[485] 91 90 106 77 130 106 FIRE STEEL
Unless you show Levitate, that 106 defense will mean very little, very quickly.
[486] 110 160 110 100 80 110 NORMAL NORMAL
Same attack as Slaking and same speed too. The difference is that this guy also has defenses.
[487] 150 100 120 90 100 120 GHOST DRAGON
It'll probably kick ass. [/bored]
[488] 120 70 120 85 75 130 PSYCHIC PSYCHIC
Defensive psychic with split defenses. We've probably seen this before.
[490] 100 100 100 100 100 100 WATER WATER
Manafi is hot and I want one.
[491] 70 90 90 125 135 90 DARK DARK
Those stats are kind of really hot on any aggressive dark type.
[492] 100 100 100 100 100 100 GRASS GRASS
Those are Celebi's stats. [/obvious]
This one might suck if it doesn't do anything unique or set a high bar.
[493] 120 120 120 120 120 120 NORMAL NORMAL
Please learn Double-Edge or Return and know what a Choice Band is.
[494] 10 10 10 10 10 10 NORMAL NORMAL
Umm, okay.
[495] 10 10 10 10 10 10 NORMAL NORMAL
Umm, okay. Are these guys like twins or aliens from a mothership or Kirbys or something...?
[496] 50 180 20 150 180 20 PSYCHIC PSYCHIC
Dubbya. Tee. Eff.
Wait, nvm. You're just Deoxys-F.
[497] 50 70 160 90 70 160 PSYCHIC PSYCHIC
Sup Deoxys-L.
[498] 50 95 90 180 95 90 PSYCHIC PSYCHIC
Fuck off Emerald.
[499] 60 79 105 36 59 85 BUG GROUND
You could potentially be good with your defense and special defense. You could also suck, but whatever.
[500] 60 69 95 36 69 95 BUG STEEL
If it isn't sort of but not really Forretress. Meh. You're either going to work in OU as a competitor with Forry/Scizor or be thrown into the UU/NU dungeon.
Tomorrow I will go through moves and see if they correspond to what I have posted here. Basically, see what will fail and what might thrive.
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Post by casmat on Sept 27, 2006 0:03:15 GMT -5
So Attack 453 isn't a steel type attack... 453 unknown move bug physical 90 100 0 15 one 0 50 4 3 High critical hit rate
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Post by casmat on Sept 27, 2006 0:06:15 GMT -5
So we now have a list of typing, stats, learnsets, traits, and what the new moves do (to some extent) all we need is a list of what the new traits do and the battle sprites, and we are pretty set
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Post by CyberMewtwo on Sept 27, 2006 0:10:10 GMT -5
okay well first order of business, organizing all the new DP attack data into an easy format so we can add em. if anything give em about a week or 2 to get more info.
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Post by cock_block on Sept 27, 2006 0:19:06 GMT -5
I wanna know how the evos have different level up moves at levels that they don't exist at? Swords Dance at level 11 for the Water/Steel Penguin ._. Move tutors, probably. In fairness, I don't see the penguin doing much with Swords Dance atm so I don't think that'll be an issue. I'd be more interested in working with its defenses/HP and insanely good special attack. Its special defense is also surprisingly good. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like he's going to be doing much with his defensive stats right now either. I see no Roar, Haze, Whirlwind, etc. Nothing to really make him worth using other than his typing/stats. Well, okay, I've seen Yawn as an egg move and Agility so maybe some random Swords Dance/Agility/Waterfall/Ice Punch route could work... but right now I'm doubting it.
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Post by Zack on Sept 27, 2006 0:39:24 GMT -5
115 Special Attack Lucario, ffs, what the hell is he going to be using?
Hi I am Swords Dance, Scheme, physical Ice Punch, Metal Claw, Shadow Claw, and a trait that disables my opponent's items. On top of Agility in case you want some speed, Pursuit, and Thief, this badass motherfucker is going on my first team.
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Post by casmat on Sept 27, 2006 0:43:12 GMT -5
115 Special Attack Lucario, ffs, what the hell is he going to be using? Wave Guiding Bomb
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Post by casmat on Sept 27, 2006 0:51:04 GMT -5
Hi I am Swords Dance, Scheme, physical Ice Punch, Metal Claw, Shadow Claw, and a trait that disables my opponent's items. On top of Agility in case you want some speed, Pursuit, and Thief, this badass motherfucker is going on my first team. [[[ 461 ]]] Lv01 : 373 Lv01 : Revenge Lv01 : 372 Lv01 : Scratch Lv01 : Leer Lv01 : Taunt Lv01 : Quick Attack Lv08 : Quick Attack Lv10 : Screech Lv14 : Faint Attack Lv21 : Fury Swipes Lv24 : 417 Lv28 : Icy Wind Lv35 : 400 Lv38 : 374 Lv42 : Metal Claw Lv49 : 399 # name type mode pow acc side pp targ prio flags ? ? effect 417 unknown move steel physical 40 100 0 30 one 1 115 1 3 Uses a priority modifier 400 unknown move water physical 90 90 0 10 one 0 51 5 2 No particular effect 399 unknown move dark physical 70 100 0 15 one 0 51 5 1 High critical hit rate
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