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Post by casmat on Mar 5, 2007 17:17:13 GMT -5
kappa spot is taken by TWO pokemon, Golduck and Lombre line.
and Volbeat is pure bug people
know your pokey men!
Also, everyone should note that once I draw something, it is really difficult for me to change it in a largely noticeable way and still feel satisfied. In most cases, I will need to draw a completely new pokemon. if you want a big change like height, or adding legs were there were once non, you would have to wait for the sprite :/... this is mainly in response to ilabb's plague doctor change request... I'm not stubborn (except maybe subconsciously), its just really hard for me to change something like that and keep it in the way the pokemon should look...
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Post by dilasc on Mar 5, 2007 22:40:35 GMT -5
I have an idea for a Mareep split evolution to a black sheep. The evolution concept is unhappiness, though it's not quite the opposite of happiness evolution.
Basically, happiness is a number from 0 to 255 if I'm not mistaken. The idea here is that if at level 15 or higher, if happiness is 127 or less, it evolves to a Black sheep, electric/dark type called Lambshade, otherwise it becomes Flaafy. From Lambshade, it evolves at level 30 into Blaksheer.
I also think this method could work well for Shelgon, to create a split to a dragon that stays in its shell as it grows because it is sad and miserable, and wants to hide away from the world. Dragon/Rock type would be nice, as a defensive dragon, at least more so than other dragons.
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Post by Crossfire Chaos on Mar 5, 2007 23:11:34 GMT -5
kappa spot is taken by TWO pokemon, Golduck and Lombre line. aww drat, well I always knew golduck was kappa-like. Still would love that water/ghost though.and Volbeat is pure bug people ah, see I don't see it talked about much so I assumed /elec because of it being a firefly. In anycase, that opens the spot for a grasshopper bug/elec. The speedy bug/flying has been done with ninjask and it's gets pretty decent usage in NB iirc. I'm thinking the grasshopper gets some kind lightning pattern and it's antenna are lightning bolts.
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Just realized you were talking about a fast bug/grass. Well, it sounds good, but it doesn't give that "newness" factor I was hoping for, plus what is his image going to be? just a grasshopper?
But overall I think we should start a thread soon; the changes can wait until the sprite./signed
Both ideas are awesome, especialy love the names of the dark sheep*, but I suggest making the "shell" a whole body armor that makes the dragon hug the ground, because a shell like Bagons would get repetitive and unimaginative.
*Lambshade better as Lamshade? (the first made me think of Lampshade the first time I saw it.) |
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Post by dilasc on Mar 5, 2007 23:16:47 GMT -5
It's supposed to make you think lampshade, and its freaky how it melds it so well.
As for the Shelgon evolution, its basically like that. A slow dragon who's shell has hardened to rock. For a name, I'm using Shelldra, but its probably not too thrilling.
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Post by Crossfire Chaos on Mar 5, 2007 23:39:55 GMT -5
An armored dragon or a bigger bagon? which does it look like? How about Shellron? it has the ending of the previous too and makes a nice tribute to shenron from dbz.
Oh and if the lampshade thing is the reason then it's perfect.
Now to add in a few more comments I had edited above but decided to move.
Grasshoppers are cool, although I don't see the logic behind the electric. I don't ether, but rationalize our electric rodent family, or our volcano tortoise? Bug/Elec is unused and seems to be a decent type. three resists and only two weaknesses.Water/Fighting squid would be epic. epic meaning cool or epic meaning legend material?The "grenade" on my bombadier beetle is actually a flamethrower nozzle. Told you I sucked at drawing  The base for the basic stage is the red mite, but any more ideas to make it more unique are totally needed. I don't know what a flamethrower nozzle looks like and seeing as it's a bombardier beetle I assumed something used to bombard; a grenade.
as for our plain red mite, I'm thinking he wants some sort of thing that is similar to what it's evo. Two gas tanks on his back and a gas mask nozzle replacing the mandibles sound cool?
Ever hear of wrestling? I was thinking this guy would grapple, smash (punch) and crush his opponents. And smokescreen isn't poisonous, but a squids maw might be.
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Post by casmat on Mar 6, 2007 1:54:28 GMT -5
I have already sketched lambshade and will post drawings (probably full color) when I finish it and its evo most likely in the next two days.
Also... has anyone ever seen a leaf insect? google image search "leaf insect" and you'll see what I mean... there are also spiny leaf insects and stick insects that could do the job as well...
Also, I am iffy on water fighting squid too..... don't forget Poliwrath is water fighting....
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Post by ilabb on Mar 6, 2007 17:43:34 GMT -5
Stream of consciousness again Epic is the word I use when I think something is awesome. Lambshade sounds awesome. I'm sold on the bug/electric Grasshopper. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Usafl_notes_.jpg <-- the igniter is kinda what it was based on.  I did a (really) quick redraw. I liked the gas tank idea  |
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Post by gun6 on Mar 6, 2007 17:46:01 GMT -5
Dragon/Steel w/ Thick Fat Shelgon evo would be hot.  |
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Post by RicePigeonKKM on Mar 6, 2007 23:55:05 GMT -5
Heres something off the top of my head: 2 eeveelutions (haven't we seen enough of these?) Zephyeon Ability:  ?? (need ideas) HP: 65 (271-334)ATK: 110 (256-319)DEF: 60 (156-219)SPD: 130 (296-359)SAT: 95 (226-289)SDF: 65 (166-229)Terrareon Ability: ?? (need ideas) HP: 110 (361-424)ATK: 130 (296-359)DEF: 95 (226-289)SPD: 65 (166-229)SAT: 65 (166-229)SDF: 60 (156-219) |
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Post by Zack on Mar 7, 2007 14:34:08 GMT -5
As much as I hate to say it, I'm not too sold on the previously physical-only types getting Eevee evolutions. If we can feasibly make sprites and calls for all of them, then yeah, but its an awful lot of work. I'm still not happy with my own Grass evo, though Nintendo finally made one of their own (I may edit it and mix it with my own).
I was inclined to say that I wanted to make Volbeat and Illumise Bug/Electric. Ledian was to become Bug/Normal. A grasshopper might be Bug/Psychic, which would be a cool combo imo.
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Post by dilasc on Mar 7, 2007 17:38:50 GMT -5
A King Cobra evolution to Arbok would be fun. Obvious item of evolution would be King's Rock, and it could possibly work as Poison/Normal typing. As for a name, I like Arbogink, which is basically King Cobra with a missing letter and a slight lack of switch between the i and the n.
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Post by Crossfire Chaos on Mar 7, 2007 18:10:01 GMT -5
Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
Nice implementation and great art, I was trying myself but couldn't quite get the perspective correct.
Flying and Rock don't seem too fit as an Eevee evolution (and Eevee evos are historically elemental-based). I was surprised even when the Lefia was made. I didn't think grass was very elemental since most of it's moves are more physical then "beam-like".
And took our ice idea too!
Well those seem like valid type changes. But the bug/psy idea seems strange and foreign to a grasshopper... though so did bug/elec to everyone else. Elaborate please?
Arbok ->> kobrA so a cobra evo even thought it's the "king" cobra really isn't needed.
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eh.. my try at the electric grasshopper. It needs something more electric in it. Plus the back leg needs to be more 3d and stand away from the body. Something I was never good at. But do you get the general gist of how I was thinking it should look?
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Post by ilabb on Mar 8, 2007 12:40:35 GMT -5
I definitely see where you're going with this grasshopper. I did my stream of conscience thought process, but in drawing this time. For a more electrical approach, I went for a Jacob's Ladder effect on the antenna... well you'll see. img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/ilabb/AAAAAAAA.jpgI think flying could pass as an Eevee, as it has connections to air and wind, which is also an element. If anything, another Eevee should be either Dragon or Ghost. Dragon is a former special type, but a Dragon Eevee sounds... weird. Ghost is now primarily special, and I think it would work out better than a dragon. Also, now I feel as if I should throw a tank on the evo of my bug. |
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Post by casmat on Mar 8, 2007 17:20:12 GMT -5
I REALLY like Crossfire's Grasshopper, and I could really see it working now. Those black sheep will be done soon. I'll have AT LEAST one colored by tonight. As for the King Cobra for Arbok evo thing.... I kind of.... already drew an evo of Arbok based off of Orochi. You'll know who I mean if you have ever played Okami.... if not, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OrochiI drew him with one head and seven tails... you may wonder why I didn't use eight heads and tails, but it was for simplicity, so as to keep him from having an extremely complicated art and sprite and the way I did it, the tails have faces on them. So the fake tail heads plus the real head add up to eight "heads" and in a way vice-versa. UNFORTUNATELY I lost my damned sketch..... but I remember it clearly. Its real head is dragon like in appearance, and still has a cobra's hood. Its eyes are a combination of Ekan's and Arbok's styles, but instead of white or yellow they are red. The face on the inside of its hood is different, but still evil and ornate like Arbok's... Its 7 tails are like baby rattles (as opposed to Ekans realistic rattles) with the tail tips still poking out on the ends... Each rattle has a face much like the one on Arbok's hood, giving it the appearance of having eight heads.... Opinions? |
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Post by gun6 on Mar 8, 2007 23:15:36 GMT -5
I had a nice idea for an evil Sea Lily (screw you, Lileep + Cradily, even though you are cool in your own way). I call it, "Silily".  It's a cold-blooded killer plant thing that uses its "leaf-tentacles" to propel itself around underwater and lure prey. It attaches itself to rocks, and silently waits. Maybe it could be a nice Poison/Water-type Pokemon with a beefy HP and attack stat with some nice speed. My "Propeller" move would work perfectly with this guy. My only problem is that this doesn't look that Pokemonish. Discuss. |
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Post by Crossfire Chaos on Mar 9, 2007 18:58:20 GMT -5
Your ideas are very good; here are my thoughts
The jaw: I can't draw one well and whatever I did it seemed to "depokemonize" it. (if someone can do a good jaw then go ahead.)
Lightning between antennas: (jacob's ladder?) seems like more of an animation instead of something constantly on.
Wing design: that's damned well what It's been missing. I couldn't think of a way to draw the lightning as more then a stupid crooked line so I replaced it with a wave. But I'll be adding that into the picture when I have time.
Dragon and Flying types seem very physical and seem to stray from the "only a color change plus one special fur item" look that all eevolutions have. Ghost seems okay but I think we're fine on the evos.
Don't give the second one a gas tank, it's great the way it is.
Cool, thanks.
Can't wait for the sheep.
And I don't know, a hydra-like snake might be a bit much for a regular pokemon. Seems like legend-material.
They were sea lilies and barnacles(looked it up just now)? looked nothing like them in my opinion. Second definitely looked like a dino's body.
Sweet pic and nice idea. I /sign it.
It is definitely pokemonish enough.
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Post by casmat on Mar 9, 2007 20:48:23 GMT -5
Lileep and Cradily is one of my favorite lines.... :/.....
It could easily be made to look pokemonish enough, if it doesn't already, but Tentacool/Tentacruel is already a poison/water with tentacles....
Plus I wanted there to be a Qwilfish evo, and this plus that plus Tentacruel would mean some serious type repetition... yeah, three lines of the same type barring pure types is type repetition in my eyes.... its one line away from the type repetition that is Water/Ground type.....
Its the same way if we were to make a Bug/Steel, a Water/Dark, Dragon/Ground, etc. ..... Of course there are some exceptions, as in if the idea is REALLY good and if the type is the only real fitting one... and honestly, making another sea lily when Lileep/Cradily already is one is bordering on repetitiveness already...
Of course there are other types that make sense.... Water Grass makes it competition with mine, and since Sea Lily is already a pokemon and kelp is not..... Grass Poison is serious type repetitiveness.... A pure type is obviously no fun.... I could keep going on.... there are repettiveness problems with water/dark, grass/dark, poison/dark (we should have the skunk and the scorpion (I hope)).......
I should make a thread on how to make new pokes... at least how I do it so others can see my thinking process
I just wrote a possible first paragraph for if I were to go through with writing this..
Step 1. Choosing the Basis of Your Pokemon
The basis is what you want your Pokemon to represent, its type, and how it should work in competitive battling. That may seem like a lot for one step, but they must all be chosen simultaneously, or else you risk making your Pokemon pointless, random seeming, or anything else that you don't want your Pokemon to be.
The base can come from anywhere, as long as it represents something in the real world, and even then some ideas may slip into something that represents very many things or more abstract things, but such Pokemon should be few and far between. When I say the real world, I mean that it could represent a myth, a legend, something from a religion, something from everyday life, or a living or extinct animal; usually something animate is preferred, but inanimate objects can work just as well if you have a good imagination. Note that Japanese myths are quality sources to pull from, but other myths and legends can work just as well. Do not replicate a basis. I think we all know what I mean, but just in case, look at the turtle. You should by no means ever make a fake turtle Pokemon. The lines of Blastoise, Torkoal, and Torterra (and arguably Shuckle), are all chelonians. It would be extremely unnecessary to add to that, and if you were, only an evolution to Torkoal could be acceptable, but even that could turn out controversial. This doesn't mean that bases are only off limits if they have already been overdone. Even if only one representative of a certain basis exists, it is generally taboo to make another Pokemon using the same basis, even if it is done as a different type. Lets look at the turtles again. They aren't completely repetitive, in a sense that Blastoise is similar to a sea turtle while Torkoal and Torterra are more representative of the tortoises that live on land. If I were to say that any of them were repetitive it would have to be Torkoal, as long as we aren't considering who came first. It is repetitive in the sense that Torterra is a much better representative of the tortoise since it incorporates the mythical Genbu into its base, whereas Torkoal seems to have no such redeeming quality. If Torterra had indeed come before Torkoal, then (hopefully) Nintendo would never have introduced Torkoal at all. Of course, we all know that Torkoal precedes Torterra as a representative of the tortoise, and it would not make sense for it to evolve into a Pokemon with a Genbu basis. So really, I believe that a Genbu Pokemon, while it would be much better than a plain tortoise, was not such a good idea when another tortoise Pokemon already exists. Therefore, Nintendo breaks my rule of repetitiveness, which it happens to do quite often. There are Pokemon that are not well made, and our goal is to never make such Pokemon.
The type blah blah blah
The usefulness of your Pokemon is derived from four things. They are type, stats, ability, and movepool. This section will not go on to specifics; that will be left for sections two and three. blah blah blah
To make it look like a Pokemon, blah blah blah
Step 2. Coming Up with Stats, Ability, and Extraneous Pokedex Information:
First of all, the Pokedex information blah blah blah
When it comes to the ability you choose for Pokemon, you have to know whether you want the Pokemon to be dependent or non-dependent on its ability. Then all you are left with is choosing something that makes sense. blah blah blah
Stats may be the most important part, competitively, about your Pokemon. First of all, you need to figure out which tier you want this Pokemon to be in. Remember, you can't make every Pokemon Tyranitar level. blah blah blah
Step 3. Level-up and Other Moves:
blah blah blah
Etc.
IN OTHER NEWS MY COMPUTER IS FUCKED UP. I CAN STILL POST FROM ANOTHER, BUT ART WILL BE POSTPONED UNTIL I SAY. IT COULD BE A WEEK OR 3 DAYS OR A MONTH (sorry Dilasc, the sheep will be finished I promise)
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Post by dilasc on Mar 9, 2007 23:06:57 GMT -5
While land turtles are covered by all three Pokemon lines, there is no flippered sea turtle. And shuckle seems to be a mutant ugly worm stuck in an apple that lived to see the Roman Empire.
Though it may seem a bit out there, Torkoal could perhaps evolve into a sea turtle type gyser, and maybe grow a pair of flippers. You may think Squirtle line covers this, but the squirtle line doesn't have flippers and is basically a land turtle that is fairly aquatic. I'm not suggesting full blown flippers from land to sea turtle, but maybe just the back legs become flippers, and therefore provides a fun type combo. A sea turtle with a gyser on its back
As for your lost picture, no biggie! Don't worry about it, and by all means, don't try and rush quality.
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Post by casmat on Mar 10, 2007 0:07:39 GMT -5
I know that Blastoise is more tortoise in structure, but since Nintendo made two turtles after Blastoise and neither were sea turtles, I assumed that Nintendo just considered Blastoise their sea turtle.... or would never make a sea turtle because of Blastoise being a water turtle...
Torkoal evolving into some kind of lava-faring sea turtle would be kind of cool actually (is there a real world red, orange, I don't know ANYTHING sea turtle that could really justify a Pokemon like this?).... but the idea would need some backing...
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Post by dilasc on Mar 10, 2007 0:49:31 GMT -5
I don't know of any red sea turtles, though ancient sea turtles might have been, since we have no idea what their skin tones truly were. Then again, I don't know of any fiery turtles at all, let alone any red or orange turtles. There are brown turtles, but not orange or red ones.
Then again, evolving Torkoal into a water type would result in yet another Bulky Water. Albiet, one weak to Rock and Ground, but bulky nonetheless. At least bulky enough to laugh at Metagross's favorite STAB move, Ice of all kinds, and Fire as Fire/Water has 4x resistance to all 3 of those and certainly would be a fun typing on something.
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Post by ilabb on Mar 10, 2007 1:28:42 GMT -5
I had a nice idea for an evil Sea Lily (screw you, Lileep + Cradily, even though you are cool in your own way). I call it, "Silily". i17.photobucket.com/albums/b70/Gun6/Unnamed%20Project/Silily.pngIt's a cold-blooded killer plant thing that uses its "leaf-tentacles" to propel itself around underwater and lure prey. It attaches itself to rocks, and silently waits. Maybe it could be a nice Poison/Water-type Pokemon with a beefy HP and attack stat with some nice speed. My "Propeller" move would work perfectly with this guy. My only problem is that this doesn't look that Pokemonish. Discuss. You know, instead of a sea lily, it reminds me of this thing. Maybe an evo for it? |
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Post by Zack on Mar 10, 2007 1:38:22 GMT -5
Ilabb has the right idea for that new Plant flower thingum. imo at least.
Also, good outline Casmat.
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Post by ilabb on Mar 10, 2007 2:21:01 GMT -5
Your ideas are very good; here are my thoughts
The jaw: I can't draw one well and whatever I did it seemed to "depokemonize" it. (if someone can do a good jaw then go ahead.)
Lightning between antennas: (jacob's ladder?) seems like more of an animation instead of something constantly on.
Wing design: that's damned well what It's been missing. I couldn't think of a way to draw the lightning as more then a stupid crooked line so I replaced it with a wave. But I'll be adding that into the picture when I have time.
Dragon and Flying types seem very physical and seem to stray from the "only a color change plus one special fur item" look that all eevolutions have. Ghost seems okay but I think we're fine on the evos.
Don't give the second one a gas tank, it's great the way it is.
Cool, thanks.
Can't wait for the sheep.
And I don't know, a hydra-like snake might be a bit much for a regular pokemon. Seems like legend-material.
They were sea lilies and barnacles(looked it up just now)? looked nothing like them in my opinion. Second definitely looked like a dino's body.
Sweet pic and nice idea. I /sign it.
It is definitely pokemonish enough.
I somehow missed this entire post  Anyway, yeah, now that I think about it, the jaw reminds me way too much of like, Tentomon, so forget that. What I meant by Jacob's ladder... well... it's hard to really think of a way to describe this. The lightning between antennas moves up from the head and peters out when it reaches the end. Rinse, repeat. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLcHLemJUrwLike that. After awhile, it starts going way fast. And way badass. That's what I was imagining. I guess it would have to be an animation, then XD Also, on a Flying Eevee, I wouldn't even want wings on it. It would be a representation of the special, wind-oriented aspect of the flying type. Maybe clouds around its ankles with a light blue body or something. Also, a great excuse to let it learn Aeroblast ;D No shit like Wing Attack or Peck or anything, though. No bird. Just wind. That's definitely an element and would fit perfectly, IMO. The more I think about it, the more I want a Flying-type (read: wind) Eevee. I think it would be really cool. |
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Post by RicePigeonKKM on Mar 10, 2007 5:09:38 GMT -5
Dunno if anyone has brought this up yet, but perhaps a Luvdisc evo?
Or better yet, since luvdisc is supposed to be some valentines heart love thing or some shit, have it evolve two ways based on its happiness (more happiness = floundisc, less/no happiness = leviadisc)
Tentative names, but at this point I'm throwing out ideas. Besides, Magikarp and Feebas were two useless fish who evolve into overused sea serpents, why cant luvdic do the same? (or at least make leviadisc a serpent and floundisc whatever)
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Post by Crossfire Chaos on Mar 10, 2007 8:07:34 GMT -5
Okay, well I've been wanting a sea turtle with a volcano on it's back for some time now. I was hoping to finish off the blastiose/torterra/cool-looking fire turtle.
I'm sorry but torkoal does not fit as it just can't compete with them in future popularity and usage.
Well see that vid proves my point, it's not going to be a constant thing, just an animation. When we put it in the sprite form we can give it a jacob's ladder.
Your flying eevee design idee is great. I think we should implement pidge's flying and rock types into the game now. They are planar opposites so they'd be great to add to the game.
Good idea, and I think I have a good image of what luvdisk's serpent evo should look like.
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